Our American Alchemist this week is Jason Jorjani, philosopher, author, and UFO researcher.
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Returning for his third conversation with Jesse Michels, Jorjani explores the possibility that reality is a computational system controlled by competing intelligences, connecting Carl Jung's synchronicities, reincarnation, time travel, and ancient religious traditions to the UFO phenomenon. They examine alleged Nazi flying saucer programs, the shadowy World Commerce Corporation, MKUltra, and Andrija Puharich's research into psychic manipulation and suppressed Tesla technology. Along the way, Jesse and Jason clash over the nature of God, question whether the Roswell crash involved human technology, and consider whether the forces behind UFO secrecy are preparing for something far bigger than disclosure.
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Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
4:33 The World Commerce Corporation
7:09 Magenta, Lebensborn and Antarctica
10:26 Nazi saucers, Wall Street and OSS
14:17 Skorzeny, Stephenson and Townsend Brown
17:18 The Kammler files
20:56 Saucer engineers, the wobble, DeWitt
24:17 Puharich: 90% ours, faked abductions
26:52 Intelectron and Bob Beckwith
28:34 After JFK: Jolly West and Ruby
30:43 Intelectronics and MKUltra's core
33:40 Barney Hill: "Looks like a Nazi"
34:38 Covert tech and missing scientists
38:44 Tesla's scalar waves and Lab Nine
41:11 Sponsors (Dose)
42:43 Back to the episode
43:07 Puharich traces the Soviet signal
44:44 Morgan, Astor and the Titanic
50:27 Soviet Tesla towers and the blackout
54:30 Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter manuscript
56:55 The fire and the space kids
1:02:55 Arson at Lab Nine
1:04:24 America's own Tesla towers
1:07:13 Bearden's Excalibur Briefing
1:09:21 Psychotronics and extended electrodynamics
1:13:30 Faraday cages and 11 Hz
1:15:32 Manchurian candidates and cognitive sovereignty
1:19:44 Donations, Corso and Roswell
1:22:28 Horten brothers and the Twining memo
1:25:24 UFOs and nuclear weapons
1:29:10 Why drop it on the Nazis?
1:31:37 MJ-12, Kissinger and H.A.K.
1:35:03 Disclosure under Trump
1:37:02 Sponsors (Kalshi)
1:38:55 Sponsors (Cape)
1:40:07 Back to the episode
1:40:19 The end game: a reset
1:42:47 Jung and synchronicity
1:47:55 Synchronicity's dopamine hit
1:50:06 Vopson, dark matter and data centers
1:59:51 Past lives: Wambach and Stevenson
2:03:08 Split souls and the psyche
2:08:27 Dark and broken timelines
2:10:28 Two kinds of intelligence
2:13:07 The trickster superintelligence
2:18:59 Is God an Archon construct?
2:22:33 Job, Jesus and Apollonius
2:28:31 Faith, witch hunts and psi
2:30:57 Rebellion and the rebel angels
2:35:23 Closing thoughts